Episode #25 – Ian Gillan – Cherkazoo and Other Stories (Part 2)

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Show Updates:

  • Comments from social media.
  • Nate hosted an episode of Skynyrd Reconsydrd which came out today. Check it out!
  • @jonatanhedlin on Instagram: “First episode I was worried going into, because I love this album so much. Luckily I was worried for no reason because you do get the magic that is Captain Beyonds first album.”

Lead Up To Album & Writing:

  • With Cherkazoo Gillan shopped it around to Disney.  Gillan stated on his Caramba Web site:
    •  “a meeting in the ‘70s with all the senior people at Disney.  I did a presentation at their studios in Hollywood and they were very enthusiastic.  However, it coincided with a sea change of company policy and they were in production with Robin Hood, having decided to go back to classic stories as the basis for their films, due to bad figures on some recent contemporary stuff.”
  • Fenwick remembered the Cherkazoo project (as written in Smoke on the Water by Dave Thompson, page 133-134):
    • “At the time, it was kind of strange.  But it was one of those [projects] that you could see somewhere along the line, there was some connection.”
    • Fenwick along with Moran would later be in in Ian Gillan Band.   Monster in Paradise was gifted to Hard Stuff, John Gustafson’s group, for their album “Bulletproof.”
  • “Other Stories” Recorded in 1974.
  • Parts of this are demos he was working on with Dave Wintour (worked with Rick Wakeman) on bass, Andy Steele (Peter Frampton) on drums, and Bernie Holland on guitar.
  • After leaving Deep Purple Ian Gillan purchased De Lane Lea Studios renaming it Kingsway Recorders.
  • Apart from recording other acts he could use the studio whenever he was in the mood to get back to some music.
  • In Spring of 1974 he got to the studio to record the second half of this compilation, finishing up the rest of the tracks in the fall.

Album Lineup

Album Details and Analysis:

  1. Trying To Get To You (Singleton/McCoy)
    • Based on the Elvis Presley version of the song.
      1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ64T6gEdC4
    • Previously released version on a record called “For Gillan Fans Only” in 1980 which was given away free to accompany purchase of the “Glory Road” album release.
    • This version is produced by Roger Glover.
  2. Ain’t That Loving You Baby (Reed)
  3. Driving Me Wild (Fast Take) (Gillan)
    • Engineered by Martin Birch, Produced by Glover.
  4. Music in My Head (Gillan)
    • Mike Moran on keys
    • Dave Wintour on Bass
    • Andy Steel on Drums
    • Bernie Holland on guitar
  5. You Make Me Feel So Good (Gillan/Holland/Moran/Steele/Wintour)
    • Would later be redone for “Child in Time.”
    • Mike Moran on keys
    • Dave Wintour on Bass
    • Any Steel on Drums
    • Bernie Holland on guitar
  6. She Called Me Softly (Gillan)
    • Mike Moran on keys
    • Dave Wintour on Bass
    • Any Steel on Drums
    • Bernie Holland on guitar
  7. Driving Me Wild (Take Three) (Gillan)
    • Mike Moran on keys
    • Dave Wintour on Bass
    • Any Steel on Drums
    • Bernie Holland on guitar
  8. You Led My Heart Astray (Gillan)
    • A Little Share of Plenty (Gillan)
      • Night and Day (Gillan/Holland/Moran/Steele/Wintour)

        In The News . . .

        • John will be attending the October 9, 2019 Deep Purple show at the Mohegan Sun in CT.
        • Nate will be attending the October 18, 2019 Deep Purple show at the Rosemont Theater in Rosemont, IL.  If you’re attending give us a message on Twitter so we can say Hi.
        • When was he asked?
          • The Ultimate Guitar has quotes from an interview with Michael Schenker, in which he explains why he refused to join Deep Purple, Ozzy, Thin Lizzy, and Motorhead (spoiler: he didn’t want to end up in somebody else’s band).
            • I didn’t go with Deep Purple, I didn’t go with Ozzy Osbourne, I didn’t go with Phil Lynott or Lemmy’s Motorhead – you name them, they all asked me to join them, but I did not think that I was the right person for that because there was a reason why I didn’t join the Scorpions, there was a reason why I left UFO.
          • Here endeth the fact and starteth the speculation.
          • One plausible theory is that his name was on the list of “acceptable replacements” for Blackmore, supplied to the band by Japanese promoters in order for the ’93 tour not to be cancelled. If so, it is quite possible that inquiries were made before the deal was struck with Joe Satriani.
        • Interview: Glenn Hughes of THE DEAD DAISIES
          • ANTIHERO: Your rescheduled ‘Glenn Hughes Performs Classic Deep Purple Live’ UK tour will be going ahead in November – do you envisage doing a tour of Trapeze songs too one day? 
          • Glenn Hughes: I’d love to! I’m getting communications from promoters about that. I would love to do that – it would be bigger in America and I could find people who adore Trapeze, like Billy Gibbons who’s a huge Trapeze fan, so I don’t think I’d have a problem finding someone to play it with, but I’m glad you mentioned that band because that’s where it started for me and that’s where I found my legs. I’ve been doing this for fifty years now and it’s never going to really stop for me because I really love what I do and I love giving back to the people that follow my music.

        This Week in Purple History . . .

        October 14 through October 20

        • October 16, 1968 – Deep Purple play their first US show opening for Cream for their farewell tour
          • Video from show on October 18 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpmqIQlB4Lc
        • October 16, 1975 – The Butterfly Ball is performed live at the Royal Albert Hall
          • Great photo archive here: https://photofeatures.photoshelter.com/search?KW=Butterfly+Ball&I_DSC_AND=t&I_DSC=Butterfly+Ball+&I_USER_ID=U0000s1U9gi65hLg&_ACT=search
        • October 14, 1991 – Gillan releases Toolbox

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        Episode #24 – Ian Gillan – Cherkazoo and Other Stories (Part 1)

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        Show Updates:

        • Comments from social media.
        • Alice Gustafson on Twitter recommended the documentary “Some Other Guys” on Vimeo.  As well as a very touching tweet about her father:
          • 5 years ago, the finest bass player to come out of Liverpool (fight me!) passed away. John Gustafson went on to join Roxy Music, writing the infamous bassline to Love Is The Drug. But to me, he was just ‘dad’. Raising a glass of red to you tonight
          • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n3OepDn5GU
        • Lots of erroneous info about David Coverdale turning 70 yesterday (September 22) as we record this.  He actually is turning 68. @JoergPlaner traces this back to some incorrect newspaper articles from the 1980s crediting Coverdale as being two years older than he was,

        Lead Up To Album & Writing:

        • Recorded from 1972 to 1974.
        • Essentially a collection of demos recorded by Ian Gillan in the 70s.
        • They’d been available as poor quality bootlegs for years until Gillan approved of them being released after being stored in his garden shed for the better part of two decades.
        • Parts of this are demos he was working on with Dave Wintour (worked with Rick Wakeman) on bass, Andy Steele (Peter Frampton) on drums, and Bernie Holland on guitar.
        • The Cherkazoo project began in 1969.
        • After Glover famously told Gillan he’d never talk to him again until he wrote a song. 
        • Gillan began writing, if under duress, and eventually wrote so much material that Episode Six couldn’t record it all and he worked that creativity into Cherkazoo.
        • Once in Deep Purple there just wasn’t enough time to work on the project.
        • While in Deep Purple his only additional work was in Jesus Christ Superstar.
        • In 1971 he dropped mention of the work in an interview where he explained that he was working on the project and that it was “… an animal, space, musical, travelogue fantasy.”
        • Gillan then decided he wanted to turn this project into an animated children’s cartoon.
        • He wrote dialogue, characters, and developed the music with Glover’s help.
        • He brought it to film companies to see who would be interested.’
        • As we stated in previous episodes it was mistakenly called “Chez Kazoo.”

        Album Lineup

        • Ian Gillan
        • Pete York (possibly) – drums
        • Roger Glover – guitar, bass
        • Jon Lord – piano
        • Marc Bolan of T. Rex (unconfirmed) – guitar
        • Engineer – Martin Birch

        Album Details and Analysis:

        1. Intro
        2. Cherkazoo (Gillan/Glover)
        3. Monster in Paradise (Gillan/Glover/Gustafson)
          • This song made it out on vinyl, recorded by Hard Stuff for the album Bulletproof.
          • At the time it was assumed this was a leftover track that Deep Purple didn’t record and gave to the group.
          • There were a number of odd versions with different singers doing cockney accents with spoken word bits.
          • This was going to be left out until they uncovered this version featuring Glover on lead vocals with Gillan on the chorus.
        4. The Bull of Birantis (Gilan/Glover)
          • Liner notes state that the strings were performed by members of ELO.
        5. Intro
          • Jon Lord is laughing at hearing Ian Gillan sing “My Name’s Professor Pig.”
          • Glover plays guitar.
        6. Hogwash (Gillan/Glover)
        7. Driving Me Wild
        8. Donkey Ride Dream (Gillan/Glover)

          Album Review & Reception

          • Full track list includes:
            • Overture
            • Cherkazoo
            • What’s New Finnegan
            • Gentle Meadow
            • Hogwash
            • The Bull of Birantis
            • Driving Me Wild
            • Monster in Paradise
            • Donkey Ride Dream
            • Fight Scene
            • Lady Fair
          • Additional Tracks:
            • Meadowland
            • Brother of Mine
            • High ‘n Mighty Woman
            • Described in the liner notes as “lacklustre country and western efforts” found at the end of one of the reels without Ian Gillan on vocals.  Unclear if they were intended to be part of this.
          • The liner notes state that this wasn’t meant to recreate the Cherkazoo project, merely to present a collection of Gillan’s demos.  They also state that completists will want answers as to why the other tracks were left off (other than a boring one like the lack of room!).
          • Liner notes state that Overture, Fight Scene, and Gentle Meadow are instrumentals.
          • Lady fair is an orchestral number with a choral refrain.
          • What’s New Finnegan has vocals but not by Ian and “didn’t really make the grade.”

          In The News . . .

          • Jon Lord – Windows vinyl reissue: a closer look
            • On September 27, 2019 earMusic will continue the series of Jon Lord vinyl re-releases with “Windows”, an album featuring a cooperation between Jon Lord and conductor and composer Eberhard Schoener. Schoener, who was also involved in progressive rock masterpieces like “The Turn of a Friendly Card” by The Alan Parsons Project may also be known for being the creator of the main theme for the TV series “Derrick“.
            • “Windows” was recorded live at the Herkulessaal in Munich on June 1st, 1974 as closing performance of the “Prix Jeunesse International” festival under the “Rock meets Classic” banner and was broadcasted by German TV station Bayerischer Rundfunk to a potential audience of 300 million people.
            • The album consists of two parts, the 18 minute piece “Continuo on B.A.C.H.” and the name-giving 32 minute “Window” (without “s”), both composed by Jon Lord and Eberhard Schoener.

          This Week in Purple History . . .

          October 7 through October 13

          • October 10, 1975 – Come Taste The Band original release date (delayed)
          • October 7, 1977 – Ian Gillan Band releases Scarabus
          • October 8, 2001 – Joe Lynn Turner releases Slam

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